On the Record: Prospects of widespread legalized online sports betting in North Carolina
>> IT'S TIME TO GO ON THE
RECORD WRAL NEWS.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
THANKS FOR JOINING COHEN BRAUER
NORTH CAROLINIANS LOVE SPORTS.
AND MANY OF THOSE FANS LOVE TO
BET ON THE GAME. SPORTS
WAGERING, OF COURSE, IS NOTHING
NEW. BUT MUCH OF THAT TENS OF
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GABLED IS
ILLEGAL. THAT'S THE CASE OR
NORTH CAROLINA WITH EXCEPTIONS
AT THE CHEROKEE IN CATAWBA
CASINOS. TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING
TO EXPLORE THE PROSPECTS OF
WIDESPREAD LEGALIZE SPORTS
BETTING, INCLUDING MOBILE
GAMBLING RIGHT HERE IN OUR
STATE. I'M JOINED BY WRAL,
INVESTIGATIVE SPORTS REPORTER
BRIAN MURPHY, WHO HAS REPORTED
EXTENSIVELY ON THIS TOPIC.
ALSO JOINING US TONIGHT, STATE
REPRESENTATIVE JASON SAINE OF
LINCOLN COUNTY, SENIOR BUDGET
WRITER AND PAST CO-SPONSOR OF
SPORTS GAMBLING LEGISLATION,
REPRESENTATIVE PRICEY HARRISON
OF GUILFORD COUNTY'S RAISE SOME
SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT OPENING
THE DOOR TO LEGALIZE BETTING
AND CHESTNUT OUT A LOBBYIST
FOR K T S STRATEGIES WHO
REPRESENTS SPORTS TEAMS IN THIS
DEBATE. I WANT REPRESENTATIVE
HARRISON STAKE IN JUST A
MOMENT. BUT FIRST, LET'S SET
THE STAGE ON JUST WHERE THIS
LEGISLATION STANDS AND I'M
GOING TO START WITH
REPRESENTATIVE SAINE LAST THIS
BILL CAME VERY CLOSE TO
PASSING, BUT AMENDMENT STRIPPED
IT DOWN AND EVENTUALLY FELL
BY ONE VOTE IN THE HOUSE.
DO YOU BELIEVE THIS SESSION?
IT'S GOING TO PASS. AND WHAT
DO YOU THINK THIS BILL IS GOING
TO LOOK LIKE?
>> I DO PASS. I THINK IT WILL
LOOK A LOT LIKE THE BILL FROM
LAST YEAR. YOU KNOW, WE
CERTAINLY HAVE GOTTEN SOME
INPUT IN. IT WILL CONSIDER THAT
AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS,
EVERYTHING HAS TO START OVER
AGAIN. SO WE'LL WE'LL START
FRESH WITH A NEW BILL. BUT IT
WILL LIKE I SAY, MERE WHAT WHAT
WE SAW LAST YEAR. AND, YOU
KNOW, WE'VE HAD MORE TIME FOR
FOR MEMBERS TO TO LEARN MORE
ABOUT SPORTS BETTING WE'VE ALSO
HAD ANOTHER YEAR GO BY WHERE
WE'RE LOSING MONEY TO OTHER
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S
GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW,
CERTAINLY TALKED ABOUT I THINK,
YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST 2 THE
ISSUE KIND OF NEEDED TO
MARINATE AS AS MOSTLY TO COME
THE LEGISLATURE. THEY DON'T
NECESSARILY PASSED THE FIRST
TIME LAST YEAR WHEN WE GET TO
IT WAS WE WERE GETTING INTO
SUMMER AND WE SOME ON FAMILY
TRIPS AND SOME MISSING OUT AND
DID GET A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE WE HAD. WE HAD 2 THAT
WOULD HAVE BROUGHT SPORTS
BETTING TO NORTH CAROLINA.
ONE PASSED BY ONE VOTE. ONE
FELL BY ONE. BUT INSIDE IT ARE
GAMBLING TERM. I THINK WE BROKE
EVEN. BUT BUT I THINK THAT IT'S
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO
AWAY. I SPOKE WITH VIRGINIA
JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THEY
WERE KIND OF TRYING TO ME AND
SAYING WE'RE GLAD YOU DIDN'T
GET PASSED LAST YEAR. WHAT WE
KNOW YOU'RE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
GOING TO BE A THEY THEY KNOW
THAT THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF NORTH
CAROLINIANS GOING OVER THE
BORDER IN AND SOMEBODY, BUT
PLAYING PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS
GAMBLING IN VIRGINIA AND OTHER
STATES, TOO. WE SEE THAT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S A
REVENUE LOSS FOR US KELLY INTO
PLAYING ANYWAY.
>> BUT LET ME BRING IN BRIAN
MURPHY NOW REPORTED ON THIS IN
JUST THIS WEEK. YOU FOUND OUT
THAT SINCE IT FAILED THE
NEGOTIATIONS HAVE HAVE SHIFTED.
WHAT'S CHANGE? YEAH, THE SPORTS
TEAMS ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO
MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY
OFF THIS AND UNDER THE PREVIOUS
LEGISLATION THAT REPRESENTATIVE
SAYING JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT
WITH 12 LICENSES THAT WOULD
HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE
OPERATORS. THE SPORTS TEAMS
WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MOST OF
THOSE ALLOCATED TO THEM SO THAT
THEY COULD GO NEGOTIATE WITH AS
THE THE BEST WAY TO PUT THIS
INTO PLACE. AND JUST MCDOWELL
SOME OF SPORTS TEAMS CHEST TALK
ABOUT WHAT BRIAN IS A IS
REFERRING TO ARE THE SPORTS
TEAMS LOOKING FOR A BETTER DEAL
RIGHT NOW?
>> I WANT TO CERTAINLY GOTTEN A
BETTER DEAL FOR THE SPORTS
TEAMS ON CALL THE BETTER DEAL
FOR THE STATE. WHAT WE'RE
LOOKING AT IS A PROPOSAL THAT
WOULD ALLOW SOME OF THE
LICENSES THAT THE STATE
ALLOCATES TO GET DIRECTLY TO
SOME OF OUR SPORTS TEAMS IN OUR
SPORTS FACILITIES. WE'RE IN
THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE
OPERATORS AND THEIR ORIGINAL
COALITION THAT THAT HAVE BEEN
WORKING ON THIS BILL SINCE THE
BEGINNING OF TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHAT THAT WITH THAT
STRUCTURE LOOKS LIGHT. AT THE
END OF THE DAY, WE'RE WE'RE
PLAN ON SUPPORTING. I'M
SUPPORTING THIS BILL. GETTING
ACROSS THE FINISH LINE AND
BRING SPORTS BETTING IN NORTH
CAROLINA. NUMBER WHAT THAT
LOOKS LIKE.
>> THE CHESS YOU YOU'VE BEEN
WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR FOR
NEARLY 3 YEARS. THIS STARTED IN
2019 AFTER THE AFTER THE
SUPREME COURT CHANGED THE LAW
IN IN 2018. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT
THAT PROCESS AND AND YOU FEEL
LIKE YOU'RE CLOSER TO GETTING
THIS PASSED OR OR LAST YOU
KNOW, FAILED VOTE MAKES YOU A
LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.
>> NO, I THINK WHAT I THINK
WE'RE VERY CLOSE. I'M SALUTE.
THINK WE HAVE. BUT SOMETHING
LIKE A REPRESENTATIVE SAYING
SAID A LOT OF TIMES THESE
ISSUES JUST NEED TO MARINATE.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY
PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS.
A LOT OF FOLKS THAT
MISUNDERSTOOD THE ISSUES ARE
A LOT OF FOLKS THAT DIDN'T GET
THE WHOLE PICTURE WHEN YOU'RE
TRYING TO PASS A BILL WITH A
SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME. WE'RE
ALSO DEALING WITH MAJOR ISSUES
LIKE MEDICAL CANNABIS AND
MEDICAID EXPANSION AND ALL
THESE OTHER THINGS TRYING TO
GET SOMEONE'S ATTENTION TO TO
MOVE THIS BILL ALONG. BUT BUT
I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE
VOTES THIS TIME. I BELIEVE THAT
FOLKS KNOW THAT WE LEFT A LOT
OF MONEY ON THE TABLE THAT WENT
TO OTHER STATES AND A LOT OF
MONEY THAT WHAT'S THE ILLEGAL
MARKET? THAT WAS LONG. A SPORTS
BETTING IS ILLEGAL IN NORTH
CAROLINA. THE INTEGRITY OF
SPORTS IN NORTH CAROLINA IS IN
AS THESE TEAMS CONSISTENTLY
FIGHT FOR BETTER PLAYERS AND
FIGHT FOR BETTER COACHES.
THOSE TEAMS ARE NOT GETTING
ACCESS TO THE FUNDS TO BUILD UP
THOSE PROGRAMS TO KEEP THESE
PROGRAMS IN NORTH CAROLINA.
WE'RE MISSING OUT ON
OPPORTUNITIES TO TRY TO RECRUIT
A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM.
THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK A LOT
OF FOLKS KNOW THAT WE'RE
MISSING OUT, THOUGH. AND AS
LONG AS THIS IS ILLEGAL, IT'S
A BAD THING FOR NORTH CAROLINA.
>> REPRESENTATIVE SAYING I JUST
FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED,
IF THEY IF THEY DO WANT TO BET
TALK ABOUT HOW THIS WORD WORK.
WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE
FOR THE BETTERS AND WHO'S GOING
TO REGULATE ALL THIS?
>> WELL, AND AND, YOU KNOW,
PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE
DECIDED AS WE GO THROUGH THE
LEGISLATIVE
AND AS INDICATED THAT WE'VE HAD
SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS.
WE WE CERTAINLY HAVE A STARTING
POINT WHERE WE START WITH WITH
THE BILL FROM LAST YEAR AS WELL
AS WE START TO GET MORE WE'VE
GOT TO LEGISLATORS TO SO THEY
WANT TO HAVE A HAVE A SAY,
STOWE AND HOW THAT HOW THAT
LOOKS SET TO THE FINAL PRODUCT.
BUT BUT THE MAIN THING TO
REMEMBER IS THAT, YOU PEOPLE
WANT TO BE NEWS IN NORTH THE
CHAIR, HE HAVE SPORTS BETTING.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THEY LOOK A
LOT LIKE THAT. JUST TO BE BE
FRANK,
WITH YOU. I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW,
WOULD JUST MENTION SOME OF
THOSE SPORTS TEAMS AND THEIR
THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
TO REALLY MAXIMIZE THEIR FOR
ONE AND 2 TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT
AND TO HAVE SPORTS REALLY ALL
YEAR IN SOME IT WILL LOOK A LOT
LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN OTHER
STATES THAT HAVE GO BEFORE US
OTHER BENEFIT THAT WE BEING
A STATE THAT HAS IT QUITE YET
PASSPORTS. BUT BECAUSE AS WE
CAN LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE STATE'S WHAT'S BEEN WHAT'S
WORKED? WELL, WHAT THIS IS
REALLY MAYBE DIDN'T NECESSARILY
WORK WELL, SO I THINK, YOU
KNOW, IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW WHAT
AND ANY TYPE OF RULE MAKING.
IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU
KNOW, HAPPENS ALONG THE WAY
AND WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK
DIFFERENT IDEAS FROM
LEGISLATORS. BUT THE PLENTY
OF IDEAS FOR THE WEEK. IT WAS
LAYERS OF THE ROOM. THEY OF THE
RULES TO YOU KNOW, PART OF IT
AND THEN HAVE THEIR SAY SO ON.
AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WE
EXPECT THAT AND WHETHER YOU'RE
FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, WE TALK
ABOUT VOTING FOR ARE POSING
YOU REALLY IT'S IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE NEED TO TAKE TIME AND
TALK ABOUT IT. AND AND DO THOSE
THINGS WE LOOK AT LAST YEAR WE
HAD REALLY JUST WE LET THAT
SIT THERE FOR A LONG TIME SO
THAT PEOPLE COULD VOICE THEIR
OPINIONS AND THEN
UNFORTUNATELY, IT KIND OF DID
GET DOWN TO THE WIRE WITH THE
CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE THAT
END UP WITH COVID DELAY THE
PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE
SAW THOSE. I THINK IT WAS A
HEALTHY BOAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD
10 YEARS AGO IF IT HAD BEEN A
POSSIBILITY THAT IT WOULD PASS.
SO I THINK THINGS CHANGE,
LEGISLATURE, SHAPE. SO WE'LL
SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET
THERE'S THAT REGULATORY PROCESS
WILL WILL WILL ALSO BE
SOMETHING THAT WE YOU KNOW, AN
EYE ON AND LOOK AT OTHER STATES
AND SEE WHAT WILL BE THERE.
JUST A
>> TALK ABOUT ONE THING THE
REPRESENTATIVE SAYING DIDN'T
ADDRESS RIGHT THAT THE MOBILE
ASPECT. IT'S UNDER
CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW.
HOW WOULD THAT WORK?
>> BASICALLY BE ABLE TO GET ON
THE FUN AND AND PLACE A BET ON
SPORTS THEM THROUGH ONE OF 12
DIFFERENT LICENSED OPERATORS.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLY SECURE
PROCESS. IT'S BEEN ANOTHER
STATE'S 36 STATES RIGHT NOW
HAVE LEGAL SPORTS BETTING.
SO WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE
WHEEL HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT'S BEEN DONE. IT'S ABLE
TO VERIFY IDENTITIES. IT'S ABLE
TO VERIFY AGE AND THINGS LIKE
THAT. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY,
A LOT OF PROTECTIONS IN THE
BILL. A HEALTH PROBLEM GAME
RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN PLACE A BET
ON YOURSELF AND YOU CAN PLACE A
BET ON YOUR COMPUTER. THEY'RE
NOT LEGAL BETS. THEY'RE NOT THE
LICENSED OPERATORS THERE
THROUGH OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS AND
OFFSHORE ACTORS. A LOT OF TIMES
BAD ACTORS. THAT'S THAT'S HOW
YOU BET ON SPORTS. NOW THERE'S
A LOT OF MONEY BEING BET ON
SPORTS IN NORTH CAROLINA.
BUT THE WAY THIS WOULD WORK
WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE WHO IT TELL
THEM A PROBLEM TO LOCK
THEMSELVES OUT OF THEIR
ACCOUNTS TO CAP THE AMOUNT OF
MONEY THEY CAN USE. AND A LOT
OF DIFFERENT PROTECTIONS LIKE
THAT. SO IT WOULD WILL BE
AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY AS LONG AS
THEY'RE INSIDE OF NORTH
CAROLINA. AND WHEN THINGS ARE
GREAT THING.
>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK
BREAK RIGHT NOW. WHEN WE COME
BACK, I WANT TO BRING IN PRICEY
HARRISON WHO HAS SOME SERIOUS
WELCOME BACK TO ON THE RECORD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTH
CAROLINA'S PROSPECTS OF
LEGALIZING WIDESPREAD SPORTS
GAMBLING. AND OF COURSE, THAT'S
GOING TO BE UP TO STATE
LAWMAKERS. ONE OF THOSE STATE
LAWMAKERS CONSIDERING THIS IS
REPRESENTATIVE PRICEY HARRISON
OF GUILFORD COUNTY AND
REPRESENTATIVE HARRISON WALK ME
THROUGH SOME OF YOUR BIGGEST
CONCERNS ABOUT THIS KIND OF
LEGISLATION.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR
HAVING ME. AND I HAD A PRETTY
LONG LIST. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF
TIME AND I ONE THING THAT WAS
AND SHANA MADE THE NEW YORK
TIMES TO THE EXCELLENT
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING SERIES
THIS FALL THAT TALKED ABOUT
THESE EFFORTS IN OTHER STATES
AND THEN ACTED ON ALL SHOULD
ONLINE BETTING AND THE PROBLEMS
THAT THEY FACED. A LOT OF THE
STATE HAD BUYER'S REMORSE
BECAUSE THESE BILLS ARE
BASICALLY WRITTEN BY THE
GAMBLING INDUSTRY AS A
PREDATORY INDUSTRY. AND IT'S
LOOKING TO RAISE MONEY. IT'S
NOT LOOKING TO RAISE MONEY FOR,
SAY THIS, LOOKING TO RAISE
MONEY FOR THEN STREET. SO MY
RECOLLECTION IS THAT SOME OF
THESE FIGURES HAVE BEEN TOSSED
AROUND ABOUT THE REVENUES
COMING. NORTH CAROLINA ARE ARE
PRETTY NICE CALL ON STATES THAT
HAVE ENACTED ONLINE BETTING
SUCH AS KANSAS RECENTLY,
350 MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE
TO PRODUCE 700,000 AND TAX
REVENUE STREAM 50 MILLION
DOLLARS TO KNOW GOING THROUGH
700,010 AND TAX REVENUES FOR
THAT STATE. A LOT OF STATES
THAN ACTIVITIES PROMOTED HAVE
GIVEN TEXAS OF STATUS, THE
PROMOTIONS FREE BETTING BUT
ENDED REALLY ELIMINATING THIS
POTENTIAL FOR REVENUE SOURCE.
I THINK IT'S TIME OVER SCIENCE.
TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR
REVENUE RAISING AND IT'S A BAD
WAY TO RATE RAISE REVENUE.
GAMBLING REVENUE IS NOT IS NOT
IS NOT SUSTAIN. ONE'S NOT GOING
AS PREDATORY AND IT SHIFTS THE
BURDEN ON THE ISSUE ABOUT THAT.
THAT WAS BECAUSE ADVERTISING, I
THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL
PROBLEM IN ITS AND OTHER
COUNTRIES IN OTHER STATES HAVE
SEEN THAT. IT HAS ENTICED
UNDERAGE GAMBLING. I THINK THAT
THERE'S A POTENTIAL THE
POTENTIAL KNOW, SHARP INCREASE
IN GAMBLING THERE WAS A 43 3%
INCREASE IN CALLS TO THE
HOTLINE LAST YEAR. MANY THINK
IT IS RELATED TO THE INCREASE
IN SPORTS THAT AND NOT A MONEY
THAT'S BEING PUT IN THE
GAMBLING ADDICTION IS
INSUFFICIENT. IT'S A FRACTION
OF WHAT'S NEEDED. IT. I FEEL
LIKE IT'S VERY MUCH
INSUFFICIENT OVERSIGHT AND
REGULATIONS. THE PLACES THAT
HAVE THESE ARE NOT AND THEY PUT
SMALL FINES ON THE COMPANIES
ARE MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
SOUGHT TO LIKE THEIRS. THERE IS
THAT WE COULD REALLY STRENGTHEN
THE SPILL. I'M NOT AGAINST
SPORTS GAMBLING. I'M AGAINST
THE SPORTS GAMBLING BILL.
THAT WAS BEFORE US LAST SUMMER.
BUT I I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SPORTS
FAMILY. AND SO I FEEL LIKE IF
WE A LARGE TAKEOVER PROCESS
THAT ADDRESS MANY OF THE
CONCERNS AND LOOK AT SOME OF
THE PROBLEMS OTHER THAN I WAS
BY THE REPRESENTATIVE ON
SAINTS. TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE
THE STATES WHO HAVE RUN INTO
PROBLEMS ARE GOING BACK AND
TRYING TO FIX IT. AND I HOPE WE
GET OUT IN FRONT OF THOSE
PROBLEMS. SO THAT'S JUST SHORT
OF THE START OF SOME OF THE
SE WRONG WITH THE BUILDING WAS
THE FORCE LAST SUMMER.
>> REPRESENTATIVE HARRISON,
WHAT ARE YOUR CHIEF COMPLAINTS
WAS ABOUT THE COLLEGE GAMBLING.
OBVIOUSLY, COLLEGE ATHLETICS IS
A HUGE BUSINESS HERE. AND IN
NORTH CAROLINA, CAN YOU DRESS
YOUR PROBLEMS WITH THAT?
AND THEN SECONDLY,
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF
BEING ON YOUR PHONE. OBVIOUSLY,
WE KNOW HOW THAT MOBILE PHONE
IS IN YOUR HAND AT ALL TIMES.
I KNOW THE LAST YEAR YOU WERE
OK WITH MAYBE IN-PERSON
GAMBLING AT SOME OF THE SPORTS
VENUES AROUND THE STATE.
>> SO SURE YET IN A LIFETIME
COLLEGE SPORTS FANS SPENT BY
NIGHT HE'S GOING ACC TOURNAMENT
IN GREENSBORO. I LOVE COLLEGE
SPORTS AND I'M SURE I THINK THE
ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE WAY THE
BILL IS BELIEVE A PERCENTAGE OF
THE REVENUE IS REPLYING TO THE
COLLEGES THAT WERE BEING BET
ON AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
CORRUPTION ARE INCREDIBLE AND
SO MANY ITEMS YOU CAN PUT THAT
ON WHETHER SOMEBODY WAS INJURED
OR HOW MANY REBOUNDS I GET ARE
HOW THE U.S. SAYS SON, THEN
YOU SORT OF WONDER IF SHE GETS
THE PLAYER IN THE PLAYERS FIRST
GAME. WE HAVE HAD POINT SAVING
SCANDALS IN THE PAST. IT'S BEEN
A WHILE, BUT I I WORRY ABOUT
SOME OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN
OTHER STATES FOR STATE AND
ENTERED INTO COLLEGES HAVE BEEN
AND UNIVERSE IS ENTERED INTO
COMMERCIAL LICENSING AGREEMENTS
THAT JUST SEEMS THAT IS
SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT
REALLY CLOSELY. I WAS GLAD THAT
REPRESENT ALL TREES. AND THEN
THE PAST THAT LIMIT IT THE
DILEMMA IS COLLEGE BEDDING.
AND AS I MENTIONED TO YOU AND
OTHERS, I I THINK THAT A WAY TO
START IS TO HAVE ON SITE
BETTING AT THE PRO SPORTS
MONIES INVOLVING PRO SPORT.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO
START. YOU HAVE TO BE THERE.
YOU HAVE TO BE TAKING HOLD OR
YOU HAVE TO PAY IN CASH.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING. I DIDN'T
MENTION THE ABILITY TO CHARGE
ANY CREDIT CARD CAN RESULT IN A
DEVASTATING FAMILY DOES.
SO I THINK THAT IF WE LIMIT IT
TO THE VENUES TO PRO SPORTS
TEAMS TO CASH, WE WOULDN'T END
UP WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS AS
OTHER STATES ARE FACING, WHICH
ON SOLID GEORGIA. IT'S
SOMETHING LIKE 360 MILLION AND
PROBLEM AND SOCIAL COSTS AND
GET GAMBLING ADDICTION AND NOT
JUST LIKE FOR US TO AVOID THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA JUST LAST
SPRING. YOU WIN. SO YOU CAN
RESPOND TO FOR OUR CONCERNS.
DOES THIS DO THIS, THE BILL IN
THE PAST AND ONE WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT NOW REALLY HAVE ENOUGH.
>> RESTRICTIONS TO HANDLE SOME
OF THE CONCERNS SHE HAS.
>> YOU KNOW, DAUGHTERS RIGHT TO
REPRESENT PARENTS, NOT THE BILL
HAS BEEN TO THE VERY LONG STEAK
OR PROCESS WITH A LOT OF
ENGAGEMENT. AND REALLY WE POINT
OUT BILLIONS IN OTHER STATES IS
WHAT WE SEE WITH ANY KIND OF
LEGISLATION. THAT'S AN ACT IN
MULTIPLE STATES. BUT WHAT WE DO
IS WE LEARN FROM THOSE
MISTAKES, LEARN FROM THOSE
FAILURES AND CREATE A BETTER
BILL. I WANT TO CLARIFY A
COUPLE POINTS REPRESENT THEIR
SUNSET. NUMBER ONE. SHE
MENTIONED A 43% INCREASE IN
CALLS TO THE GAMBLING PROBLEM.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE REASON
FOR THAT IS BECAUSE NOW INSTEAD
OF FOLKS BETTING ILLEGALLY,
FOLKS ARE BETTING WITH AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GET HELP THAT
THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. THESE
AREN'T AGAIN, THESE ARE NEW
BETTORS. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT
WAKE UP ONE MORNING BECAUSE
SPORTS BETTING IS LEGAL AND
IT'S EITHER GOING TO ALL SPORTS
A SIMILAR ARGUMENT FOR FOR
MEDICAL CANNABIS HERE ARE
LEGALIZING MARIJUANA. PEOPLE
DON'T WAKE UP AND DECIDE
THEY'RE GOING TO START SMOKING.
MARIJUANA IS THE SAME THING.
THESE FOLKS ARE PEOPLE THAT
HAVE BEEN BETTING. BUT NOW THEY
HAVE RESOURCE AND THAT'S WHAT
CALLS ARE INCREASING. EVERY
ADVERTISEMENT AS THE GAME WENT
ON, PEOPLE RECOGNIZE HAVE A
PROBLEM TO GO GET HELP. ANOTHER
THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT
IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK
ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF SPORTS,
THE ABILITY TO FIX A GAME OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. EVERY
SINGLE POINT SHAVING SCANDAL,
EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM THAT HAS
HAPPENED IN THIS UNIVERSE HAS
BEEN CALLED IN A LEGAL AND A
LEGAL SPORTS BETTING REGIME
RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE BEEN HONESTLY
ONLINE THAT THAT, THAT WAS IT
WAS WITH CREDIT CARDS. AND
WHATEVER ELSE THAT WE DON'T
KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE, THE
LEAGUE'S DON'T GET A LOOK AT
WHAT BETS ARE BEING PLACED.
TEAMS CAN SEE WHAT MUST BE IN
PLACE. ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT
THERE'S A LARGE MOVEMENT ON
ONE LINE IN THE LEGAL REGIME.
WE KNOW WHERE THAT MOVEMENTS
COMING FROM. AND AND, YOU KNOW,
GETS CALLS TO INVESTIGATE.
RIGHT NOW, ALL THAT'S HAPPENING
COMPLETELY IN THE DARK. YOU
KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF
RESTRICTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE.
YOU CAN BET ON WHETHER OR NOT
THEY'RE INJURED OR NOT. BUT
THAT'S BEEN IN THE BILL THE
WHOLE BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY
SCANDAL PEOPLE. I TALK ABOUT
1983, THE GOODWILL THANKSGIVING
THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE ON
THE HOUSE FLOOR, WHICH WAS
CALLED ILLEGAL SPORTS, URGING.
>> JUSTIN, WE'VE TALKED A LOT
ABOUT MONEY AND AND CERTAINLY
IN VIRGINIA, THEY THEY REDUCE
THE NUMBER OF PROMOTIONS
INDUCTIONS THAT COULD BE
DEDUCTED FROM THE TAXES.
AND YOU SAW THAT ACTUALLY RISE
FROM ABOUT 3 MILLION A MONTH
TO TO 7 MILLION A MONTH IN
VIRGINIA. HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE
TALKING TO COME TO THE STATE OF
NORTH CAROLINA AND A REMINDER
TO THE VIEWERS, YOU KNOW, THE
STATE HAS A 25 BILLION DOLLAR
BUDGET.
>> WHILE I'M NOT A I'M NOT A
FISCAL EXPERT. GOT THE FINANCE
CHAIRMAN ON THAT ON HERE.
IF YOU WANT TO ASK HIM, BUT I'M
NOT GOING THERE, GUESS HOW MUCH
TAX REVENUE? I WILL SAY IT.
YOU KNOW IT. IT IS MORE THAN A
COUPLE BUCKS RIGHT NOW THAT
REVENUE IS JUST NOT COMING TO
NORTH CAROLINA'S GOING OVERSEAS
IS GOING IN THE SHADY ACTORS
POCKET. SO YOU MIGHT AS GADGET
FOR NORTH CAROLINA. BUT, YOU
KNOW, THE BIGGEST AND THE
BIGGEST THING THAT WE DON'T
TALK ABOUT A REVENUE STANDPOINT
IS THAT THE VALUE THAT WE
INCREASE? OUR PROFESSIONAL
SPORTS TEAMS IN NORTH CAROLINA
BY HAVING THIS IS PART OF THEIR
STRUCTURE THIS INCREASES THE
REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR
FOR OUR TEAMS ARE OUR
FACILITIES WERE HOSTING
PROFESSIONAL GOLF ASSOCIATION.
TERMS WERE HOST NASCAR RACES.
CHARLOTTE PANTHERS IN
CHARLOTTE, HORNETS. YOU KNOW,
WE'VE GOT A LOT A LOT OF
PROFESSIONAL SPORTS GOING ON IN
NORTH CAROLINA. YOU KNOW, AS AS
THAT GETS MORE COMPETITIVE
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND TEAMS
GET SO TEAMS GET BOTH TEAMS
LOOK TO MOVE. WE NEED TO HAVE
OUR TEAMS IN NORTH CAROLINA AS
STRONG AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN
BE AS PROFITABLE AS I CAN BE.
BECAUSE IF IF WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD RISK
LOSING THE TEAM OR AN OFFER TO
WORK AT RISK FOR OPPORTUNITY TO
BRING IT SEEM LIKE A
PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL TEAM.
WE NEED TO HAVE WE NEED TO BE
IN COMPETITION WITH THESE OTHER
36 STATES THAT ALLOW THIS LOT
OF REVENUE FOR THEIR
PROFESSIONAL TIGHT.
>> JUST THANK YOU. AGAIN.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER
QUICK BREAK. AND WHEN WE COME
BACK, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
WELCOME BACK TO ON THE RECORD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
PROSPECTS OF LEGALIZED SPORTS
BETTING HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA.
WANT TO BRING BACK A
REPRESENTATIVE WE'RE DISCUSSING
THE POTENTIAL REVENUE. GIVE
US A HARD NUMBER AND WHAT KIND
OF REVENUE WE CAN EXPECT.
>> AND ALSO, IF THIS HAPPENS,
WHEN WOULD PEOPLE ACTUALLY BE
ABLE TO START BETTING?
>> YES, SO HARD NUMBER. YOU
KNOW, YOU LOOK AT OTHER STATES
AND KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT
IT MIGHT BE YOU KNOW, IF WE
DEPENDING WHAT THE END PRODUCT
WITH THE LEGISLATION LOOKS LIKE
AND WITH THAT COMES IN. AND
THAT ALSO WHAT DAY PEOPLE CAN
DO THAT. SO IT'S UP TO
LEGISLATORS TO MAKE THAT
DECISION.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T AS WE
DRAFTED THE WE WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE IT UP AND WITH THE BUT
THEN, YOU KNOW, TO SET AMOUNT
OF TIME ONCE THE BILL PASSES,
HOPEFULLY WITHIN 6 MONTHS BUT
MIGHT TAKE THE YEAR, YOU KNOW,
THE PROCESSES IN PLACE. SO WE
WILL STILL BE BUT THE AS FAR
AS THE NUMBER ART NUMBER OF
REVENUE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN
STATES IS REPRESENTED. HERE
IS TO MENTION THAT YOU END UP
WITH WITH THE IT MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT THAT
CAN COME THROUGH BUT WHATEVER
THAT THAT MAY WHATEVER IT IS,
WE'RE LOSING IT RIGHT NOW TO
OTHER IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES
MATTER WITH. THERE'S NO REAL
GOOD TO ME. THERE'S NO L THE
THAT WOULD GENERATE. IT'S IT'S
CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT WAS
SOMETHING THAT WE COULD AT
LEAST LAWS BUT ENDORSED A IN
THE FINANCE YEARS. I KNOW IT
LOOKS LIKE TO RAISE
PREPARATIONS, CHAIR THE AND THE
28 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO TO
GET TO THAT POINT TO BE ABLE TO
SPEND ALL THE NEEDS OF A
VIRTUALLY. AND SO I THINK
HAVING THAT HELPED HOW I HELPED
CONTRIBUTE TO TO WHAT WE'RE
DOING IS A STATE. I THINK IT'S
VERY IMPORTANT AND THE FACT
THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE THEY ARE
CONTRIBUTING TO 2 OTHER STATES.
WE CAN KEEP THAT MONEY AND HOPE
SO IF YOU KNOW FEET WE IT'S
A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE AND
IT'S A IT'S A LOWER AMOUNT.
AGAIN, STILL COUNTS THE FINAL
BILL. THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO
PAY. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
I YOU KNOW, YOU THAT DISCUSSION
ABOUT PROBLEM THIS IS THE ONE
THING THAT'S THAT'S MISSED.
MAYBE SOMETIMES THE DISCUSSION
IS THE TRANSPARENCY THAT THEY
COMES WITH. IT. YOU KNOW IT.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, THE STATES
IN THE GAMING BUSINESS BECAUSE
WE DO HAVE A LOTTERY. SO, YOU
KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING
ANYWAY, WHAT I'M SET IN, YOU
KNOW, I WATCH A FOOTBALL GAME
AT A BAR RESTAURANT ON A SUNDAY
OR SATURDAY AND SEE PEOPLE
PLACING BETS ON THEIR FOLD.
IT'S IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING IN
THEIR STATE. BUT IT IS
SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE
CAN CAPTURE SOME OF THAT
REVENUE. REPRESENTATIVE
HARRISON RUNNING OUT OF TIME
HERE. BUT I JUST WANT YOU LED A
SPIRITED OPPOSITION TO THIS.
A BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION.
>> TO SPORTS GAMBLING, DID YOU
GET A SENSE THAT THAT WILL RISE
UP AGAIN IN THE 2023 EITHER.
MAKE IMPROVE THE BILL AND WAYS
YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IMPROVED OR
OR POSTPONED AGAIN FOR ANOTHER
YEAR.
>> WELL, WELL, BE HONEST, LIKE
WE CAN'T EVEN MATCH THE
RESOURCES HAVE BEEN PUT INTO
THIS EFFORT TO PASS IN THE
NIGHT ONLINE SPORTS BETTING IN
OUR STATE. BUT CERTAINLY
THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT
OF ENTHUSIASM FOR MAKING US A
MUCH BETTER BILL. I'M I'M I'M
REALLY WORRIED THAT WE'RE
THINKING THAT THIS IS GOING TO
BE A GREAT WAY TO RELY ON A
REVENUE GENERATOR BECAUSE
THAT'S PROVING NOT TO BE THE
CASE IN OTHER STATES IN THE
PERCENTAGE OF THE REVENUE
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RISE,
NORTH TO GO TO A PROMOTIONAL
FUND AND THEN WE HAVE
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE ABOUT A
PROPOSED TAX RATE THAT APPEARS
BECAUSE UNCONSTITUTIONAL BASED
AND THEN WE PAST FEW YEARS AGO
THAT WANT TO SEND THE TEXT
RIGHT NEAR STATE. SO I THEIR
ISSUES RELATED TO REVENUE AND
THEIR ISSUES ABOUT WHETHER THIS
IS A GOOD IDEA FOR OUR STATE.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE
FAMILY IS NOT BEING HANDLED
WELL IN OTHER STATES AND A
FRACTION OF THE REVENUE THAT'S
NEEDED. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN
GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH
SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO BUILDINGS.
LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO
SPORTS GAMBLING.
>> SO SO QUICKLY AND 30
SECONDS. I'LL LET YOU HAVE THE
LAST WORD. REPRESENTATIVE
HARRISON, WHAT DO YOU WANT OUT
OF THE PROCESS WHICH IS JUST
STARTING FROM SCRATCH
ESSENTIALLY. WHAT DO YOU WANT
OUT OF THE PROCESS?
>> I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE
GREAT TO GET SOME FOLKS SITTING
IN A ROOM AND TALK ABOUT WHAT
MAKES US FROM NORTH CAROLINA
AND LEARN FROM OTHER STATES
MISTAKES AND JUST PUT TOGETHER
BILL. THAT IS NOT GOING TO
PREDATORY. THAT'S NOT GOING
TO END UP CAUSING MORE
PROBLEMS. OUR STATE THEN EXIST
NOW AND WE MIGHT BE LOSE A
LITTLE BIT OF AN ANOTHER STATE
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THE
OFFSHORE GAMBLING. THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT INCREASES IN
EVERY SINGLE STATE THAN US AND
ACTED ON A FAMILY. SO I JUST
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